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Ep. 57 Perfectionism with Psychotherapist Katherine Morgan Schafler
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Ep. 57 Perfectionism with Psychotherapist Katherine Morgan Schafler

less eradication more adaptation

I remember distinctly when my therapist informed me that I’m a perfectionist. My reply was, “there’s no way do you see the coffee I have spilled down the front of my shirt right now? Plus I never could pull off an all white outfit.” Those were the qualifiers. You didn’t spill everything and would wear all white willingly sans fear. She then started rattling off a bunch of other stuff and I was like holy shit maybe I am?!

How could I be so flawed and a perfectionist? I barely dipped my toe into that exploration and promptly moved on to stuff I preferred to acknowledge. Stuff my brain had any idea on how to chew on it. Perfectionism was shelved.

I didn’t really know Katherine when I read her book. We had been introduced, she agreed to come on the pod, we had some fun email exchanges but I was completely unprepared for how much I would love her, her book or how deeply it would resonate with me (it truly must have for me to use the word resonate cause barf). I could endlessly quote her book. However I will forever and ever (amen) be grateful to her for this quote:

We broadcast implicit gender-performance expectations by nestling them into everyday language (i.e., “working mom”). Language also serves a regulatory function by reinforcing said expectations through varying degrees of punishment and reward, including the “reward” of no punishment. For example, deviating from implicit gender-performance expectations of appearing to be a healthy, balanced woman brands you a “hot mess” (a punishment). Incorporating gratuitous exclamation points into your email etiquette means no one can call you a “bitch” (the “reward” of no punishment).

Yes, there are women who subvert gender-performance expectations to successfully gain industry respect and power, but these women do so at tremendous personal and professional cost—not at tremendous risk; the risk is bypassed into immediate cost

Plainly put a lot of what Katherine’s putting down is very much my shit. I hope it’s yours too. Take the quiz, find out if you are a perfectionist, read the book, enjoy Katherine. Katherine and I have already recorded another episode on joy that’s coming out in a few weeks so more to come!

xx. A

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